The Colt will hold a lot more value. The old Colt Police Positive’s recoil was modest, and it shot a little low at 15 yards. The last thing I want to do is hurt you. And it will have a warranty. Brand new basic models are now back down to ~$600. I think their "tactical" model has a 1:8, but then you get that crappy Troy rail. - Charles Beard, historian. You can beat those around much more than you can a Colt. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. Comparing it to a 6920 is no more fair than comparing it to an M&P-15 T. "Your life should not be measured in the number of breaths you take, but by the number of moments that take your breath away." Both revolvers have integral rear sights, with the Colt’s being considerably smaller than the S&W’s. Doubt it. What's the quickest way to touch off an argument among diehard double-action revolver fans? The Colts are highly sought after and have a great history, you won't go wrong with them. i am new to the ar world and want a nice reliable firearm that will last me a long time with no problems. Both guns also have square butts, with the Colt sporting checkered hard rubber grips and the S&W using wood. Mostly 1:9. I'm by no means experienced in the AR world, but I did buy an MP15 sport a while back. The old Python is blued. I grieve over them on long winter evenings. A year down the road will you be asking yourself, why didn't I buy the SW over this Colt? A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. S&W Revolvers 1945 to Present The Short Story Forum New Members … Overall Length: 8.5 inches The S&W has a wide ramp front sight while the Colt uses a narrow half-moon. By the time production ended, it was by far the most ubiquitous Colt revolver carried by civilians and lawmen alike. i am new to the ar world and want a nice reliable firearm that will last me a long time with no problems. The 686 is mostly a refinement of the S&W’s iconic revolver pedigree, established with their K/L frame revolvers. Although 2-, 5- and 6-inch versions were offered, the 4-inch-barreled Police Positive became the handgun of choice for law enforcement for almost 40 years. By the early 2000s, Colt had ended all double-action revolver production, leaving the market to S&W. The 686 is stainless. On smaller details, the Colt is more elegant in design, with its rounded cylinder release and trigger shoe, and exposed ejector. Colt Match Target vs. S&W M41. Special thanks to Mike Harris of Allegheny Trade Co. in Duncansville, Pa., for the circa-1924 Colt Police Positive used here, and to Smith & Wesson for the new Model 10. If its broke. Save and get the Colt. The bottom line is that Smith's offering are directed more toward the consumer market so you don't really find the options you would typically refer to as mil-spec in their barrels. The trigger action can be learned in either case, so what can I say? In 1892, Colt introduced the improved New Model Navy and Army revolvers, and the U.S. Navy and Army ordered the latest .38 Colt pistols. Otherwise, they both feature 6″ barrels and full-sized frames. The Python is nice but pricey. - Unknown. Finish: Blued Weight: 34.4 ozs. Capacity: 6 Grips: Wood Capacity: 6 The Colt Cobra, top, and the Smith and Wesson Model 13, bottom are each fine all around defensive revolvers. This continued an unbroken chain of supplying revolvers to the U.S. military since 1855, when the .36-caliber Colt Model 1851 Navy became the first standard-issue sidearm. Action: DA/SA hey i found a smith and wesson m&p 15 sport for sale and was wondering if i should buy that or order a colt 6920. can someone share some pros and cons of each firearm? In this instance, the L frame of the 686 denotes a medium-large frame, and is typical of modern, fullsize .357 Magnum offerings from Smith & Wesson. I've never had a Colt so I can't really compare the two for you. The sport model doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist, something that the regular M&P line will have. It's even harder when you're stupid.”, Are you planning on shipping off to war somewhere soon? Versions of the cartridge were the standard revolver cartridges of the British military from 1922 to 1963. Though similar in name, it is not interchangeable with the later .38 Smith & Wesson Special due to a different case shape and slightly larger bullet diameter. just curious if a smith and wesson was worth getting or should i wait and order a colt. I don't buy new cars, I rarely buy new firearms, I buy toilet paper ~100 rolls at a time... [Last Edit: 1/22/2014 1:40:27 PM EST by ScottyPotty], [Last Edit: 1/22/2014 2:27:43 PM EST by enthalpy]. See how they fared against one another in our Smith vs. Colt Tale of the Tape. Caliber: .38 S&W DSG has been selling them for under $1K and Walmart sells them for $1100. With Adam Jonas Segaller, Philip Guerette, John Byrne, Don Meehan. At this point in time, the companies were producing revolvers that in many … The Police Positive model was also available in the lighter .32 Colt and the new, more powerful .38 Special beginning in 1908, which S&W had developed in 1902 as a more powerful cartridge for use by law enforcement. As a .38-caliber Pocket Revolver, it has no equal.” And it didn’t. If you are looking for a basic AR and have, even low skills, you can get a kit and receiver from PSA for under $500. Cybersecurity pioneer John McAfee is a big supporter of guns and the Second Amendment,... by Personal Defense World / The Colt .32 Long is smaller in diameter than the .32 Smith and Wesson Long and will not interchange. Copyright © 1996-2020 AR15.COM LLC. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. From those two choices, I would pick LMT. Most handguns were horse pistols or pocket guns similar in design to rifles — simply shorter. The thumb release lever used today replaced the design on the second model in 1903,. Aug 28, 2018, Stay in the know with the Personal Defense World newsletter, ATF Releases Notice on the Pistol Stabilizing Brace, Opens Door for SBRs, Cheaper Than Dirt Under Fire For Alleged Price Gouging, WATCH: Miami Concealed Carrier Charged After Shooting Attacker, Biden Calls Guns a ‘National Health Crisis’ — Here’s Why He’s Wrong, Gun News, Gun Reviews, and Self Defense Tips, You use of this website constitutes and manifests your acceptance of our. Second, to quote a Colt catalog from 1905, “It will meet the great demand for an arm similar to the New Police, caliber .32, but larger in bore, with the greatest penetration, velocity and range. Explore Our Forums. As you can see, despite being older by 94 years, the old Colt Police Positive was able to match the accuracy of the S&W Model 10 — a newer version of an old rival. Colt manufactured the .38 Police Positive Special until 1995, carrying the design for a remarkable 88 years. Three years before the more conventional .38-caliber K-Frame, S&W had introduced the I-Frame. Sights: Fixed Apples and oranges. "One need only reflect that all one must do to be considered dangerous by the government is to go about repeating the very phrases used by our founding fathers in their struggle for independence." Both Colt and Smith & Wesson experienced failures early on. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 12 of 12 Posts. We use cookies to improve your browsing experience. See how they fared against one another in our Smith vs. Colt Tale of the Tape. Looking for advice to purchase, and choice is now narrowed down to COLT LE6920 or Smith & Wesson M&P15T. Mason’s patents dated November 15, 1881, and December 6, 1881 for the swing-out cylinder. Full Forum Listing . In 1899, the Military & Police became the greatest competitor to Colt for the military, law enforcement and civilian handgun markets. i was hoping to get something in the next week or so nut if i order a colt it would take a lot longer. In that time, Colt produced more than 1.5 million revolvers. They are pretty bad. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. On the other hand the S&W are currently one of the best values for the money. But it's still on my list. The Sport is an entry level beginner rifle. History. Joined: Oct 18, 2020 Messages: 22. This makes the Colt a bit more carry friendly — if you’re inclined to pack a vintage Colt revolver. Through generations of K-Frame Military & Police models spanning 120 years, the venerable .38 Special has remained a staple of the S&W line, with the .38 Military & Police (pre-Model 10) being produced until 1957, when the Model 10 designation was established. While Smith & Wesson named this new cartridge the .32 S&W Long, Colt’s version was the .32 Colt New Police. Do yourself a favor and buy the Colt. As noted by the R.L. The 1896 models were chambered for the .32 S&W, and the cylinder was released by pulling the end of the ejector rod forward. The frame, cylinder release, sideplate, and crane arrangement are unmistakably S&W. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Like Colt’s famous Single Action Army and first double-action revolvers, the Models 1877 and 1878, the first swing-out-cylinder revolver was designed and patented by William Mason, Colt’s brilliant armory superintendent. Plus since you already have a Model 29, I'd say get the Smith & Wesson just because it'll operate the same way as the Model 29. All Rights Reserved. So, Colt extended the Police Positive’s frame and cylinder to accommodate the longer, more powerful rounds. I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like them myself. The pistol’s internal safety and safety lever blocked the hammer, preventing an accidental discharge if the gun was dropped. Colt LE6920 vs. S&W M&P15T? Full Forum Listing. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The best five-shot group measured 1.13 inches. To keep some balance between the guns and the 94 years separating them, I ran the shooting test with lead round-nose (LRN) cartridges: Remington 146-grain .38 S&W rounds for the Colt, and Winchester 150-grain and Freedom Munitions 158-grain rounds for the S&W. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. Colt’s revolvers such as the New Pocket featured a swing out cylinder, cylinder latch that pulled to the rear, and a smooth double action trigger. The 150-grain .38 Specials clocked an average velocity of 746 fps. I have read the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy, and Cookie Policy, and I hereby agree to those terms. In fact, from 1905 to the early 1920s, there were already more than 150,000 Police Positive revolvers in use. Smith and Wesson followed suit with the Hand Ejector, a similar size .32 caliber revolver. 01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00101110. Disregard all the talk about "entry level" and "beginner" rifles. S&W has the better cylinder release and inherently better lockwork. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! You can find plenty of J-frame holsters and accessories still being made. There’s nothing compact about these brutes.The grips are the other major variation. Die Smith & Wesson Corporation (S&W) ist Nordamerikas größter Hersteller von Handfeuerwaffen mit Sitz in Springfield (Massachusetts). HngMnHnryDvdsn Member. Cast saves costs but anytime you cast you may or may not have air pockets that could crack so they tend to be not as strong as forged steel. Other options, if you don't mind shopping around: - Slightly used Colt. The invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. If its metal. S&W Revolvers 1945 to Present The … Tier 1 Operator/ Space Shuttle Door Gunner, "I swear to God: I'd superglue my vagina together and join a convent before I settle for a man who'd put up this kind of shit from me. Range Report : Colt 1911 vs. HK45. The Smith and Wesson 642 .38 special. Built on Colt’s D-frame, the Police Positive was regarded as a small-frame revolver. Shot quite a bit and it has been just fine as far as I can tell. The 686 first debuted in the 1980’s alongside the Model 581, 586 and 681.Since then, th… Weight: 22 ozs. Preparedness- Because the zombies aren't going to kill themselves. MSRP: N/A, Caliber: .38 Special In the Old West, it was common to carry a single action (SA) with the hammer on an empty chamber; it was also advised to do so even with double-action (DA) models before the Police Positive. When Samuel Colt invented the revolver as we know it he turned the handgun world on its nose. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. The 4-inch-barreled Police Positive — chambered in .38 Colt New Police, a version of the .38 S&W — proved to be an ideal carry gun or backup to a larger-caliber Colt Single Action. If it doesn't exist. Smith & Wesson (S&W) Brands, Inc. is an American manufacturer of firearms, ammunition and restraints.The corporate headquarters is in Springfield, Massachusetts.. Smith & Wesson was founded by Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson as the "Smith & Wesson Revolver Company" in 1856 after their previous company, also called the "Smith & Wesson Company" and later renamed as "Volcanic … Colt called it the .32 Colt New Police in revolvers it made chambered for the cartridge. Grips: Checkered Rubber Today we have the new Colt Cobra Vs. Thank you to 23pistol23 for improving my avatar, "It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. Directed by Paul Abascal. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson revolvers? The 158-grain .38 Specials were in the 790-fps range. As is obvious to those of us with a functional sense of sight, the two guns we’re comparing are almost identical. Just as with the .38 Colt New Police, which was Colt’s answer to the .38 S&W, Colt’s version had a flatnose instead of the roundnose used by Smith & Wesson, giving it some advantage when it … I'd save up and buy something that has the correct barrel length/gas system combo. This article is from the September/October 2018 issue of Combat Handguns Magazine, on sale now. Spend more time in the tech forums and less time in GD. The .32 Long is simply a lengthened version of the earlier .32 S&W. The .38 S&W, also commonly known as .38 S&W Short, or 9×20mmR is a revolver cartridge developed by Smith & Wesson in 1877. With an overall length of 8.5 inches and weighing just 22 ounces empty, it was a light pistol to carry. Explore Our Forums. The 6920 is for a lot of people the gold standard in working guns. The Police Positive obviously had a performance handicap against the .38 Special, but it still sent 146-grain bullets downrange at an average velocity of 650 fps. Colt Vs Smith Frame Size. if so can you suggest parts to me? First, it succeeded the .38 Colt Model 1877 Lightning DA/SA revolver, which had been discontinued at the end of 1904. Finish: Blued This is another Vs video. It’s a toss up and the differences are minimal but Rugers are cast steel while S&W are forged steeel. Time has proven to be relative where these two classic revolver designs are concerned. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 11 of 11 Posts ... Smith And Wesson Forums. It was initially chambered in .38 Long Colt and .38 Short Colt. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. I got my hands on a circa-1924 Colt Police Positive chambered in .38 Colt New Police (.38 S&W) and the latest version of the S&W Model 10 in .38 Special. RELATED: Streamlight TLR-4 Light/Laser Combo. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by HngMnHnryDvdsn, Nov 21, 2020. It also provided the frame from which the Colt Police Positive Special, Banker’s Special and Detective Special models were based. Of course, Colt rejoined the competition last year with its new DA/SA Cobra. Tale of the Tape: Smith & Wesson Model 10 vs. Colt Police Positive Two of the most popular revolvers with both police and civilians alike were the S&W Model 10 and the Colt Police Positive. If the answer is no, then either is a fine choice. The .32 S&W Long was introduced in 1896 with the company's first hand ejector revolver. I bought one a few months ago at a local gun shop for ~$685 out the door. Sights: Fixed It was introduced in 1896 for Smith & Wesson's first-model Hand Ejector revolver. While the 1873 Colt SAA and the Smith & Wesson Schofield, produced from 1875-’77, had advantages and drawbacks, the Colt saw the most use with 37,063 issued between 1873 and 1893. Following the .32 Colt New Police introduced in 1896, the Police Positive was an improved design with the cylinder rotating clockwise (unlike counterclockwise like previous models), a larger, rounded-contour cylinder release (beginning in 1909) and a positive lock that prevented the firing pin from coming in contact with the cartridge unless the trigger was pulled. Two of the most popular revolvers with both police and civilians alike were the S&W Model 10 and the Colt Police Positive. As is, they’re visually distinct. No failures whatsoever. Introducing the Daniel Defense DELTA 5 PRO. I love Colts, but I wouldn't recommend to someone who's not savvy with revolvers. The Model 10, with its heavy barrel and greater overall weight, was also light on recoil, delivering slightly wider groups. Colt and Smith & Wesson tried to compete with each other in the late 1800s by offering newer, more innovative revolvers to capture the lion’s share of the market, but then, in 1899, S&W unveiled its first .38-caliber K-Frame — the Military & Police. A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. Reason I ask is here in … To learn more about how we use cookies, please review our privacy policy here. While both revolvers are 1.25 inches wide and sport 4-inch barrels, the Colt is slightly smaller and lighter overall than the S&W. "Said I never had much use for one.... Never said I didn't know how to use it." It remained in production until 1943, with sales surpassing 406,000. Smith's ARs are nice, but I don't think they have 1:7 twist barrels. When Mason’s design was put into production in 1889, the U.S. Navy immediately adopted new Colt double-action as its standard-issue sidearm; it became known as the Model 1889 Navy. 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